Extra Large Ratproof Chicken Feeder

The shipping on the feeders isn't cheap because they are nearly four cubic feet and weigh 21 pounds.  Local states should cost $25.00 to $30.00 and the furthest states will be more expensive. 
 

Sales channels like Amazon or Ebay have cheaper freight on items but what most customers don't realize is that sellers are forced to bury around half of the cost in the price of the product!  If the seller is selling Prime/Fulfilled by Amazon (FBA) they pay the inbound shipping AND out bound shipping.  We used to sell on Amazon Market Place and the maximum shipping allowed for a fifteen pound product is $12.00, half the cost of the actual shipping a medium feeder to California or to the East Coast.   Then there is another $12.00 in selling fees (including 15% of the ultra low shipping costs!) so the sales price on Amazon had to be $40.00 higher to cover the hidden fees. We sell on Ebay the cost is around $35.00 more to cover the additional costs.

We feel that the fairest way is to charge the actual shipping and set the price of the actual feeder as low as possible.

If you are from Hawaii or Alaska it is cheaper to use U.S. Post Office Priority mail. Their parcel post rates are not competitive with FedEx Ground here in the continental states unless the state is nearby but a medium feeder to Alaska or Hawaii can be shipped for around $50.00.  Use the size and weight in the product description to check rates at the USPS.com website.

We now have USPS enabled on the shopping cart for Post Office order to Alaska and Hawaii. International orders must be handled through a forwarding service as the paperwork is quite burdensome for even a small package. Search online for package forwarding services, they will accept packages in your name, then bundle everything together and process the paperwork for exporting. Alternately, have the product shipped to a friend in the U.S. and take it back with you in your luggage when you visit.   One thing to consider on shipping is that you can pack about five to nine pounds of additional product into the inside cavity of the feeder, most forwarders will consolidate packages if you ask, just make sure it will fit inside.

Trouble shooting

 The other thing to avoid is having other sources of food available for the birds. That means nothing, no scraps, no treats, no free range, just the feed in the feeder if you want them to learn quickly.

Lastly the third most common mistake is to allow the birds to eat their fill when you show them the feed during training. Let them eat for just a few seconds, enough to know that food is in the feeder. You want them hungry so they gather up the courage to step on that treadle!

Feedback Please!

Please give us some feedback on the shopping cart after your birds have learned to use the feeder. Just visit the shopping cart web page where you ordered the feeder and place a review. The system should recognize you or you can sign into your account to leave the feedback. Feedback really helps new customers decide if the feeder is right for them and it helps us to learn what needs improved and what we are doing right.

 Remember that repair parts are always available if you should ever need them. Springs tend to be a wear item but they are cheap to replace.

Email us at [email protected] if needed.

Training Instructions: Thank you for the purchase of our feeder.

Thousands of these feeders are already in use but it helps if a new flock is trained correctly from day one. If your package of hardware is nowhere to be seen take the feeder outside on a concrete or other hard surface and drop it a few inches straight down, sometimes the hardware bag gets stuck up behind the front cover when the feeder is turned upside down during shipping and handling. If all else fails, remove the two screws in the front cover and see if it is jammed up there. Sometimes the door crank hole is plugged with extra paint, just shove the wire through to clear the excess paint. Email us at [email protected] if needed.

Will they be afraid of the new feeder?

Yes, chickens are prey animals; see how their eyes are on the sides of their head instead of in front like a predator? Binocular vision is for predators, side vision for prey so they have a wider field of view. Chickens are skittish by nature, it is in their genes, and they are wary of new things and things that move. Just a shadow flicking by overhead will make them run in panic even as chicks, it is genetically embedded knowledge, not experience. But if you start a flock off by showing them that the door is supposed to move when they step on the treadle and wait till they are hungry the birds will learn to use the feeder in one day.  Make sure the treadle bottoms out when the birds step on the treadle to eat.  Be sure the feeder is attached to a wall or post to prevent tipping and excess feed shaking down into the feed tray.

How to train the birds

After the birds go to roost at night you make sure the feeder is installed, the treadle bottoms out, it is fastened to a wall or sturdy post, and is full of feed. Then remove ALL other feed sources except the feeder. No scraps, no treats, nothing but what is inside the feeder. The next morning wait till about two to three hours after sunrise and show the birds where the feed is by using your toe to trip the treadle. WHEN they are hungry enough one of them will try stepping up on the treadle. Let her eat for ten to fifteen seconds then gently push her off to see if she will try it on her own. If not, repeat the lesson.

 Usually one bird will try the feeder as soon as you show them where the feed is located. IF the birds are hungry they will mob the feeder. If they are not hungry they will remain skittish of this object that they thought wasn't supposed to move when they used it.

Don't spend a lot of time that first training session, a couple of minutes is enough if they are hungry. Go back in a couple of hours and repeat the lesson. Check on them again before they go to roost. Check again the next morning a few hours after sunrise.

Assembly Instructions Metal Feeder

Packed inside the feeder is a plastic bag containing two short bolts, four fender washers, two ¼” nuts, four ¼” lock nuts and one spring. Two 4” diameter counterweights, and one treadle assembly is packed at the top of the package. The wire links  that connect the door to the treadle are taped to the side of the feeder. Your feeder was assembled and tested, then disassembled and packed for shipping.

 Set the feeder in the upright position. Put one of the large fender washers on a bolt then reach inside the swinging door into the feed tray and insert the bolt through the side of the feeder, add one large fender washer and one ¼” nut on the outside. Do the same for the other side then tighten the nuts firmly using a wrench or crescent wrench.

Place the counterweight bolt in the end hole of the  treadle arms using one of the lock nuts. Just snug it up to prevent breaking the concrete counterweights. The small metal pin sticking out of the counterweight should be on top of the treadle arm to keep the counterweight from swinging down. Repeat on the other side of the treadle.  Place the treadle arm assembly over the bolts protruding out from the sides of the feeder  and add one lock nut on each side. Tighten the lock nuts down lightly then back them off 1/8th turn so that the treadle will move freely. You will have to bend the treadle arms to line everything up and tweak it so nothing rubs.

 Insert the wire links with small bent end into the hole in the end of the door axle crank blocks and stick the large L bend end through the  treadle arms.   Bend both ends of the wire links down and underneath to keep link from popping off then clip off the excess wire on the bottom end. Not too tight that it binds and prevents the door from opening. Repeat on the other side.    If the swinging door doesn’t open up all the way back take a pair of pliers and put a kink in the wire link till the swinging door opens all the way back. All you are doing is shortening the wire link by putting a kink in it.

 If the counterweights bolts rub on the sides of the feeder, bend the treadle arms out slightly till it clears. Hook the short end of the spring over the wire link and  using pliers pull it up and hook it in one of the holes at the top of the feeder. Be careful working with the spring, watch your eyes!

 If you have small chickens you probably bought the wrong feeder which we warned you about. The feeder could possibly be tweaked for smaller birds but better to purchase the right feeder for smaller birds.  The feeder should be fastened to a wall or post for stability. There is an 1 ½” thick recycled wood spacer included, set the feeder in place and mark where the wood spacer should go, screw the spacer to the wall, put the feeder back in place, and run a couple of screws through the side of the feeder into the wood spacer.

 The feeder can be fastened to a plywood base if it needs to be freestanding. Fasten the wooden block to the plywood base, then put a couple of screws through the side of the feeder. Usually the lid must be pushed to one side to get it to close completely.

  Watch the videos that show how to assemble the feeder 

 Email us at [email protected] if you have any problems, send pictures please! Don’t call, email with pictures so we can see the problem!

Return Policy

Returns ARE accepted for shipping damage that is not easily repaired by the customer and we are talking about a five minute fix using a screw driver and wrench, popping out a dent with a block of wood and a hammer, or simply tweaking the door. Let us know by email the same day your feeder arrives, take a few pictures of any damaged and email them to us so we can start the claim process with our shipper and hold on to all the packaging for repacking the feeder the same way you received it to avoid more damage on the trip back.  In about two business days we can email you a return shipping label and as soon as that label shows up in the FedEx Ground system as being picked up we can re ship a replacement product.  Returned feeders that have been opened are destroyed, not resold, due to the risk of disease being spread so it is an expensive process to allow returns, but if it is OUR fault or the SHIPPERS fault we will take care of the problem.  Once a customer opens the box and starts the assembly process the risk of spreading disease has started as the customer might have disease organisms on their hands from handling their flock.

Returns ARE NOT accepted if you change your mind about the purchase, for lost hardware, for minor dents that can be popped out with hand tools, cosmetic damages, or someone expecting a Steinway Piano at Wal Mart prices.  If you have OCD spend the $225.00 for the Grandpa feeder or better yet sell your chickens and use the money for visiting a shrink. Also if your chicken died before the feeder arrived, too bad, buy a new chicken.  Or if the shipping damage can be repaired using a screw driver and wrench we will send you replacement parts.   In four years we have had one welded door axle fail and an occasionmal case of stripped screws, both five minute fixes using a Philips screwdriver and a wrench.  Hardware bags break loose on occasion and nuts or washers get lost, for that we will mail you a replacement hardware bag.  Sometimes the bag gets stuck up behind the front cover and can be seen by peeking under the cover or smacking the feeder down hard on a floor to dislodge the bag.

As the years go by we offer  replacement parts such as springs or hardware, as long as it isn't something like a side panel or back panel that has rusted out after years of use. .   Don't set galvanized metal on alkaline desert soil is one tip and the average chicken coop has a lot of ammonia present that can accelerate rusting of even galvanized steel if you don't keep the poop away from the bottom of the feeder. Ventilation does help.   Install it as we recommend and the feeder will last for many years.

We do not allow returns of used feeders for any reason due to the risk of spreading diseases.  If you have not followed our instructions and your birds aren't using the feeder that is not a cause to return the feeder.  Follow the instructions, all chickens are nervous by nature, few are any dumber than the rest, so we have not yet seen a flock that "won't" use the feeder but we have seen a dozen or so customers that "won't" follow the instructions and then claim their flocks are too stupid to use the feeder.  Guess what?  It isn't the chickens that are stupid.....please don't be one of these people.

We wish to keep the cost of our feeders as low as possible  and our feeder is a lower cost alternative to the very expensive Grandpa feeder so we do not wish to cater to customers that think they can order a feeder, try it out, and return the product. That drives the cost of doing business up dramatically. Nor do we wish to deal with the crazy OCD people that think a chicken feeder has to be built to Steinway piano standards, be produced in the U.S., and be sold at rock bottom prices.  But if you want a less expensive solution to preventing wild birds and rats from stealing your feed, are intelligent enough to assemble the feeder or have someone that can do that or are willing to ask the five year old neighbor kid to assemble the feeder, then you are our kind of customer and you can order with confidence.  Oh, and you better like snarky dark humor.

Free Shipping?

First check out our multi pack deals to get much cheaper shipping on the small and medium feeders.

    Even if we used Amazon fulfillment the cost of warehousing feeders around the country and the cost of shipping the feeders to those warehouses would bring us right back to the same costs as shipping from our Oklahoma shop.   

This feeder is radically different from the other feeders for five main reasons.    First,  the door is soft close so it closes quietly.   Second, no plastic parts othe than the soft close cylinders that rats will eventuality chew through.  Third, the treadle is set way back on purpose so that if a critter or a pack of critters managed to get the treadle down when they went forward to eat they would lose the leverage and the door would close.  Fourth, the door is spring loaded so it is nearly impossible for several rats to push it open.  A dozen might do that, four or five couldn't. Fifth, the entire treadle and door is counter weighted at considerable expense with 2 pounds  of counterweight that ensures the door always opens and always closes.  It also has a one piece steel treadle that won't flex and break like the riveted aluminum or plastic treadles.

As far as competition there are three main competing products.  The Grandpa feeder, the Feed o Matic from the Dutch company, and one from a company called Coops and More and a few clones of that model from other companies.   All of the feeders are more expensive than our feeder

The Grandpa feeder is a nice feeder but three times the cost or our medium feeder.   It is an outdoor feeder, we tell people that you should have some sort of rain cover if our feeder is used outside and the feed isn't emptied out by the birds every day or two.  Some of our customers swear that their feeder does fine outside but water blowing against the door might drip down into the front edge of the feed tray.   The Grandpa feeder  also has what is called a guillotine feeder door that goes up and down instead of swinging back.  That makes it hard to train the birds.   To train a flock using the Grandpa feeder you HAVE to block the feeder open for a week or more.

The Feed o Matic is the green plastic top and plastic feed tray feeder sold on Amazon and several other websites by re-sellers.   The 26 pound model sells for $95.99,   67% higher than our medium feeder, but they do offer free shipping.  Now the average feeder shipping is around $22.00 so the rest goes toward paying the enormous Amazon fees and percentages.  The feeders are made in Holland by a company called Olba and after lackluster sales in the EU due to design flaws they started dumping them on the U.S. to get rid of them.  You can buy pallets of them at 50% off and there are many re sellers of the product.  One reseller, Hog Slat, posts a warning in bright red text stating that rats can push the door open and that rats can chew through the plastic feed tray and lid.  The treadle  is way too large, rodents or pigeons can swarm the feeder and hold the door open.  It is made for smaller birds, too small for Rhode Island Reds, lots of complaints on the Amazon shopping cart page, around 30% of the reviews are critical of the product for a wide variety of reasons.   Not only that, but the initial reviews all had a disclaimer that said they received the product for free in return for their review!    Amazon recently made that illegal and grounds for banning the company from Amazon.   The treadle  on this feeder can also be jammed if the litter builds up or if the birds track a lot of chicken poop on the treadle.  And the door isn't spring loaded so rats and even small mice can easily enter the door just by pushing on it.  They advocate blocking the feeder open while training and customer reviews say it can take several weeks sometimes to train their birds.  That is because blocking a feeder open is the worst thing to do during training because it teaches the birds that the treadle and door are not supposed to move.  The Feed o Matic jams a lot according to the reviews, especially when the treadle is blocked open.  One review said the feeder leaked and their feed was molding.  Other reviews say the birds don't like sticking their heads so deep into the machine.  With a critical review rate of 30% this product won't last long on Amazon before Amazon pulls it from the market.  In fact, most of the sellers have removed the item, only two are still selling the feeder on Amazon. Here is a link to the reviews both positive and negative.

The Chicken Condo feeder has several clones out there, all with the same fatal flaws.  The door isn't spring loaded or counter weighted so a mouse or rat can just push its way into the feeder.  They have a complicated treadle step frame made of many sections of aluminum angle and metal fatigue and cracking ensue rapidly till the door no longer operates.  Rats and pigeons can also swarm the treadle due to its large size treadle.  The birds can't see the feed until they stick their head way up under the feeder.  The door swings up, not back, so the potential for trapping a bird's head is high.  The doors are complicated, many parts, and prone to wear and jamming in a dirty chicken coop.   The marketing videos on these types of feeders advocate leaving the feeder blocked open for several weeks during training, not a good thing to do if you are buying a feeder because of vermin stealing the feed because it also teaches the vermin where the feed is and how to push the door open.    Our feeder tried out the multi component treadle bar, the complicated arrangement for linkages fastened to the door to operate, and we quickly learned to eliminate both the complicated door and the multi part treadle due to the treadles failing rapidly.   Instead we invested in the equipment to weld a solid steel axle, only one moving part, and nearly bullet proof.  This also allows the spring loaded adjustable door that eliminates the possibility of several rats or a squirrel from pushing the feeder door open.  None of the competing feeders have the 2# counterweight either which we found was essential for ensuring the feeder never failed to open or close completely.   These Chicken Condo type clones were so bad for business that one company named Coops N More pulled their feeder from the market and it was an almost exact clone of the Chicken Condo feeder.

Buyers should be wary.  Read the reviews and if there are many critical reviews that is the best indication of a poorly designed feeder.    The Amazon feeder has a 30% negative review rate but when you look at the company's profile they claim a 100% positive rate so they do have control over the ratings and reviews on Amazon?